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发表于 2009-2-8 08:54:38 | 显示全部楼层 |阅读模式
常看到关于牛料配方的问题,觉得在原料使用方面有些心得,写出来给大家个思路,请诸君斧正。

进入产奶期的奶牛瘤胃菌群稳定,本质上添加多少棉粕没有限量,除非影响到整个日粮结构,比如只有棉粕,连玉米或者麦麸都没有。

需要注意,棉粕不是直接给牛吃的,而是给瘤胃微生物吃的,微生物主要形成菌体蛋白,和棉粕本身有多少氨基酸或者氨基酸是否平衡也没有本质的关系,除非你认为这些棉粕是过瘤胃的。

不论棉粕或者豆粕,都是微生物的良好的蛋白质来源,甚至于尿素,他们都主要用于菌体蛋白或者纤毛虫形成的蛋白质,豆粕是否比棉粕更有优势,不取决于猪的研究结果,尽管豆粕用于猪比棉粕好,单用时更多取决于他们如何提供氮源和硫源,就是氮硫比。

菜粕含有更高的硫蛋白,适当的配合菜粕,比单纯的增加豆粕可能效果好的多。

不用担心是否棉粕或者菜粕是否含有更高的毒素或者抗营养因子,那没有实际的意义,取决于他们是不是使瘤胃的细菌死掉了或者纤毛虫死掉了,他们多数都将被降解,能形成的危害可以忽略。

反而生的未经熟化的大豆更有危害,尤其和尿素一起使用时,会导致奶牛的尿素中毒,而棉粕和菜粕是不会的。

用牛的眼光看,不要用猪的眼光看,它们就有了合适的价值!


@@007: 偶的观点

    在很大程度上我赞成上文作者gbmmr的观点。
    但对反刍动物来讲,仍然存在蛋白质质量的问题,而不单纯是看这种原料能提供氮源的多少,否则我们只用尿素不就可以了吗,还省很多钱。按照康奈尔净碳水化合物和净蛋白质体系,蛋白按其在瘤胃中的降解速度分为A、B、C三部分:
                           A、快速降解蛋白,Kd(降解速率)认为无穷大
                           B、潜在降解蛋白
                           C、不可降解蛋白

    这里牵涉到能氮降解平衡的问题,当能量和蛋白质的降解相匹配时,微生物增殖最快,效率最高。然而能量(碳水化合物)的降解往往滞后于蛋白质,所以我们在做奶牛日粮必须选择合适降解速率的蛋白质来配合能量的降解,而尿素纯粹属于快速降解蛋白,这也是尿素为何不能多用的原因之一。

   下面列几种常见蛋白原料的蛋白质组成:
原料
A
B
C
Kd
豆粕
8.7
91.3
0
2.4
菜粕
23.4
69.2
7.4
13.1
棉粕
25.6
55.5
18.9
6.8
亚麻粕
19.3
59.7
21
5.3
花生粕
61.7
36.6
1.7
16.1
DDGS
28.5
63.5
8
3.6


     从上表可以看出,豆粕蛋白中B组分最高,且Kd最小,所以对反刍动物来讲,豆粕仍然是最好的蛋白源,我们在做奶牛日粮是很少选用豆粕,那还是因为成本的问题,而且我们不使用豆粕也可以做到瘤胃能氮平衡,从而使奶牛发挥好的生产性能。
    从上表还能看出,花生粕降解速度很快(Kd值很大),A组分含量也很高,所以做奶牛日粮时要慎重使用。高剂量使用花生粕短期有增奶效果,时间长了,会使奶牛迅速消瘦。
   另外,甜菜粕和棕榈粕的蛋白质量对奶牛来说也是非常好的,可以考虑在日粮中使用。
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发表于 2009-2-8 09:56:22 | 显示全部楼层
用牛的眼光看,不要用猪的眼光看,它们就有了合适的价值!
发表于 2009-2-8 10:20:56 | 显示全部楼层
很棒!!!真正从营养学的角度来解释,高手!
发表于 2009-2-8 23:21:31 | 显示全部楼层
有没有关于葵花粕应用的资料啊 ?
发表于 2009-2-9 01:32:38 | 显示全部楼层
1# yangzhaojun

在yahoo找了一篇Ørskov写的原文:
Use of the nylon bag technique for protein and energy evaluation and for rumen environment studies in ruminants
E R  Ørskov and W J Shand
International Feed Resource Unit, The Rowett Research Institute,
Greenburn Road, Bucksburn, Aberdeen, AB21 9SB, UK

Abstract
The nylon bag technique is a very robust and powerful tool with which to study several aspects of nutrition in ruminants. It is particularly useful in describing degradation characteristics of protein and roughages and also for rumen environment studies. For each purpose a slightly different approach has to be used. This article explains how this is best achieved.

Key words: Rumen, nylon bag, digestibility, degradation characteristics, gas production
Introduction
We have been asked to write a small article relating to the nylon bag technique and interpretations of results. Complications sometimes occur as the technique is used for different purposes, namely protein evaluation, roughage evaluation and evaluation of rumen environments. We would like to treat each one in turn.

Protein evaluation
The dynamic nylon bag procedure was first developed to estimate degradability of protein and for this a formula was developed ( Ørskov and McDonald 1979)

p = a + b (1 - e-ct) (1)

where Ap@ is degradation at time At@ and Aa@,@b@ and Ac@ are constants and Ae@ is the basis of the natural logarithm. The equation was particularly useful since the constants had a biological meaning, Aa@ being the intercept or the immediately soluble fraction, Ab@ the insoluble but rumen degradable fraction, and Ac@ the rate at which the insoluble rumen degradable fraction is degraded. It follows that 100 - (a + b) is the total rumen undegraded fraction. Part of this fraction, depending on the protein source, will be degradable in the small intestine.

Figure 1: Loss of protein from nylon bags at intervals during 72 hours

Let us construct a situation (Figure 1) in which bags are withdrawn at intervals of 2, 4, 8, 16, 24, 48 and 72 hours and the protein disappearance values are 41.5, 49.6, 59.0, 69.5, 74.8, 75.6 and 75.8 then Aa@ = 32.1, Ab@ = 44.0 and Ac@ would be 0.1229 respectively and the residual standard deviation, 0.71. In other words the data fitted the formula well.

The next problem was that since protein supplements consist of small particles which are small enough to leave the rumen, these particles could escape the rumen so that two possibilities existed: an insoluble particle entering the rumen could be degraded, depending on the degradation rate Ac@ or it could flow out, depending on the outflow rate, here denoted as Ak@. In order to describe this we coined the word effective degradability AP@ representing that which was actually degraded in the rumen. This was expressed by:

P = a + b (c/(c + k)) (2)

It can be seen that as Ak@ or outflow rate increases AP@ will, of course, decrease. Let us for example use three values for Ak@ in the equation above namely 0.02, 0.05 and 0.08 which gives effective degradabilities of 69.9, 63.4 and 58.8, respectively.

It must be remembered that this formula should only be used when the feed consists of small particles. For long forage particles it is not applicable, since the time taken to reduce long to small particles by chewing, and microbial disintegration, is not taken into account and this is likely to vary between feeds. For protein supplements therefore it is quite simply the use of formulae 1 and 2.

Roughage evaluation
For several years the 48 hour degradability was used as an approximation to in vivo digestibility and for this it is still used. However, it has since been realised that some of the plant factors affecting consumption of roughages could also be identified by the dynamic nylon bag approach, namely the soluble, the insoluble and fermentable fractions, and the rate at which the insoluble material is fermented. However, here there is a complication which is not so apparent for protein supplements, namely a lag phase when microbes become attached to the fibrous material during which time there is no net disappearance of substrate. In fact, there may even be an increase in weight during the first 2-4 hours. On the other hand the soluble material will disappear rapidly.

There are different ways of dealing with this. In our laboratory we have chosen the following approach. Due to the lag phase, during which time there is no net disappearance of substrate, the Aa@ value in the equation (ie: the extrapolated value) could be negative. As an example, take the situation where samples are removed at 8, 24, 48, 72 and 96 hours after incubation and the typical disappearance values (%) for a roughage are 17.0, 42.1, 51.6, 55.3 and 56.2.

Applying the formula p = a + b (1 - e-ct) gives Aa@ = -7.9, Ab@ = 63.8, Ac@ = 0.0622. RSD = 0.94. Obviously, the solubility cannot be negative. This predicted negative value is due to the lag phase.
Solubility can be determined by different methods such as washing nylon bags, containing the substrate, without incubation in the rumen. This value is called AA@, the value for solubility determined in the laboratory. It is clear that (a + b) represents the asymptote (ie: the maximum potentially fementable material). It is then easy to appreciate that the asymptote (a + b), less the solubility AA@, represents the insoluble but fermentable material. This is called AB@ to distinguish it from Ab@ which is from the mathematical expression. Ac@ is the same as the rate constant generated from the equation. For roughage evaluation therefore the situation is:

A = solubility
B = (a + b) insoluble but fermentable
c = rate constant

From the previous example AA@ was 10.6% thus AB@ = (-7.9 + 63.8) -10.6 = 45.3 and Ac@ is 0.0622. In some trials, multiple regressions using AA@, AB@ and Ac@ have been closely related to feed intake, digestibility and animal performance but more information is required from trials in which both feed intake and degradation characteristics are determined for less conventional feeds such as the leaves from trees and shrubs.

Should incubation periods be different for roughages? Ideally the first bag should be withdrawn only after the lag phase is completed. It is advisable not to withdraw any bags from the rumen before 8 hours. It is essential also that the asymptote is well described (ie: the differences between the losses for the last incubation periods must be small, no more than about 5% of the final value), otherwise the asymptote will be extremely inaccurate and sometimes incubation periods of up to 120 hr are required.

In order to rank the intake potential of the feeds an index value has been derived from regression equations using AA@, AB@ and Ac@ as independent variables to predict intake. The index derived from a number of roughages was:

Index value = A + 0.4*B + 200*c.

These coefficients will be different for different groups of feeds. For cattle in Europe it seems that an index value of about 30 is needed to achieve maintenance energy intake.

The index value of the feed described previously is:

10.6 + 0.4*45.3 + 200*0.0622 = 41.1.
Evaluation of rumen environment
In the above examples it was assumed that the rumen environment was optimal. The substrate is varied and it is assumed that there is an optimal rumen environment. The nylon bag method can also be used to determine the optimal concentration of NH3, S or the optimal pH. In this case the approach is to vary the rumen environment but keep the incubated substrate constant. As standard substrates one can use ground straw, soya bean hulls or other uniform cellulosic substrate. Sometimes it is useful to wash the soluble material out of the substrate as this material will disappear, regardless of the rumen environment.

It must be understood that the rumen environment will not affect AA@ nor the asymptote but it will affect the time taken to reach the asymptote. In other words it is the Ac@ value that will be sensitive to the rumen environment.

The nylon bag technique is a very powerful and robust tool but it is important to understand the purpose for which it is to be used: for evaluating protein supplements or roughages, or for evaluating dietary effects on the rumen environment.

The gas production method
A complementary tool to the nylon bag method is the gas evaluation technique in which substrate is incubated in syringes and the gas produced is measured at intervals of time. The same equation as above [p = a + b (l - e-ct)] can be used and the gas produced at intervals can be used to evaluate feeds. Many comparisons of the two techniques have been published (see Blummel and  rskov 1993). The gas production method can also be used to evaluate antinutritive factors targetting microbes, in so far that complexing agents like polyethylene glycol (PEG) can be added to the substrate and the gas production with and without complexing agents can be used to measure the presence of microbial anti-nutritive factors.
References
Blummel M and Ørskov E R 1993 Comparison of in vitro gas production and nylon bag degradability of roughages in predicting feed intake in cattle. Animal Feed Science and Technology, 40: 109-119.
Makkar H P S, Blummel M and Becker K 1995 Formation of complexes between PVP or PEG and tannins, and their implication in gas production and true digestibility in in vitro techniques. British Journal of Nutrition, 79: 897-913.
Ørskov E R and McDonald I 1979 The estimation of protein degradability in the rumen from incubation measurements weighted according to rate of passage. Journal of Agricultural Science, Cambridge. 92: 499-503.

文中第一个公式的a指快速溶解部分,b指不溶解但在瘤胃可降解部分,c指不溶解但在瘤胃可降解部分的降解速率,p应是某个培养时间的降解率。

文中第二个公式的k指外流速率,P指有效降解率。

粗饲料评定的ABC与第一个公式的相同。

对LZ列出的Kd,以前见过,没有查询,不便评论。

原文提出“用牛的眼光看,不要用猪的眼光看,它们就有了合适的价值!”,根据文章的内容,只能说用低中产奶牛的眼光看,用棉菜粕替代全部或大部豆粕可能可行。但是用猪的眼光看更为可行,如果有无腺体棉粕或双低菜粕,只需添加合成限制性氨基酸,肉猪生长与豆粕日粮基本相同。如果是普通棉粕,添加亚铁脱毒,然后添加合成限制性氨基酸;对于普通菜粕,只要脱毒,就能和棉粕一样使用,用棉菜粕替代全部或大部豆粕饲喂肉猪可能可行。说明一下,非瘤胃保护限制性氨基酸对奶牛产奶量没有任何效果。

欢迎同行们评论!!!

发表于 2009-2-9 01:38:33 | 显示全部楼层
E R  Ørskov 不被识别,只好申明英文为E R Orskov。

呵呵!!!
 楼主| 发表于 2009-2-9 08:43:18 | 显示全部楼层
请参见NRC奶牛营养需要,Kd是潜在降解组分B的降解速度,而Kp是外流速度。
发表于 2009-2-9 10:18:38 | 显示全部楼层
在国内,采用亚硫酸铁来脱毒理论是可行的,但是在生产中难以推广使用,从国内外相关研究进展来看,当前只有通过育种能降低棉酚的含量,但是从植物的天然防御特性来看,通过育种降低了棉酚,结果却导致了一些对棉花生长有害的害虫快速生长,使棉花的生产效益下降,所以这些低棉酚品种未能在全世界大面积推广。如果全部采用未脱毒棉粕替代豆粕,结果会导致饲料消失率下降,导致瘤胃内VFA总量降低,该方面可以参照国外相关文献。
理论而言,瘤胃微生物有脱毒功能,但并非能对全部的棉酚降解,目前这种脱毒是由瘤胃微生物本身功能所致,还是因棉酚与瘤胃中游离蛋白结合所致,还有很大争议。个人认为,过多的棉酚仍可以影响反刍动物的肝脏代谢与奶牛的繁殖性能,并通过影响瘤胃微生物生理与代谢来影响整体瘤胃发酵,进而对宿主生理产生有害作用。所以建议在奶牛的饲料最好不要全部使用棉粕作为蛋白原料,而应添加适量豆粕。这样无论从动物福利与动物生产效益来看,对奶牛自身皆是有益的。
发表于 2009-2-9 10:33:34 | 显示全部楼层
请参见NRC奶牛营养需要,Kd是潜在降解组分B的降解速度,而Kp是外流速度。
yangzhaojun 发表于 2009-2-9 08:43


In the 2001 dairy NRC, feed protein supply is divided into two fractions: rumen degraded protein (RDP) and rumen undegraded protein (RUP). Rumen degraded protein supplies microbial needs. However, rumen microbes require non-protein N (ammonia, amino acids, peptides,) as “building blocks” of microbial protein (MCP). The extent of MCP synthesis in the rumen depends on a number of factors including level of feed intake, digestion rate (Kd) of diet components in the rumen, and passage rate (Kp) of digesta from the rumen. In the absence of a more reliable analytical method, the NRC subcommittee chose to use three fractions (A, B, C) derived indirectly from rumen incubation of in situ bags to derive RDP and RUP supplied by feed ingredients (kg/d):
RDP = A + B × [Kd/(Kd + Kp)]RUP = B × [Kp/(Kd + Kp)] + CWhere A is the amount (kg/d) of N presumably readily available to microbes, B is the amount of N that is available by degradation (at a rate = Kd) and C is the amount of N unavailable for microbial growth.

Kd指瘤胃内日粮组分降解速率,Kp指瘤胃食糜外流速率,A指微生物可利用N的数量(kg/d),B指可降解N的数量,C指不能用于微生物生长N的数量。

临时笔译,不知是否得当,望拍砖。

呵呵!!!
 楼主| 发表于 2009-2-9 11:10:10 | 显示全部楼层
A是假定可以被微生物很容易地利用的N的数量。哈哈!是假定。
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